{"id":1095,"date":"2011-11-24T09:35:00","date_gmt":"2011-11-24T12:35:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com.br\/hypercubic\/2011\/11\/os-eua-derrotariam-roma\/"},"modified":"2011-11-24T09:35:00","modified_gmt":"2011-11-24T12:35:00","slug":"os-eua-derrotariam-roma","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.blogs.unicamp.br\/hypercubic\/2011\/11\/os-eua-derrotariam-roma\/","title":{"rendered":"&gt;Os EUA derrotariam Roma?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&gt;<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both;text-align: center\"><a href=\"http:\/\/cdn.openculture.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/romesweetrome1-e1321314404445.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-0\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/cdn.openculture.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/11\/romesweetrome1-e1321314404445.jpg\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\">Essa boa pergunta come\u00e7ou como uma experi\u00eancia de pensamento no Reddit.com quando um usu\u00e1rio chamado <a href=\"http:\/\/www.reddit.com\/user\/The_Quiet_Earth\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The_Quiet_Earth<\/a> postou a seguinte quest\u00e3o: \u201cEu poderia destruir o Imp\u00e9rio Romano inteiro durante o reinado de Augusto <span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size: x-small\">[<i>circa <\/i>23 A.E.C.]<\/span> se eu viajasse no tempo com um moderno batalh\u00e3o de infantaria da Marinha dos Estados Unidos ou uma MEU?\u201d Pouco depois, o usu\u00e1rio fez alguns esclarecimentos e apresentou um cen\u00e1rio mais preciso:<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><\/div>\n<p><a name='more'><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\">\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif\">Digamos que a gente volte no tempo com uma <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Marine_Expeditionary_Unit\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">MEU<\/a> <span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-size: x-small\">[<i>Marine Expeditionary Unit <\/i>ou <i>Unidade Expedicion\u00e1ria de Fuzileiros-Navais<\/i>]<\/span>&#8230; poder\u00edamos destruir todas as legi\u00f5es de Augusto?<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif\">Estar\u00edamos contra mais ou menos 330.000 homens, uma vez que cada legi\u00e3o era composta por 11.000 homens. Esses homens eram tipicamente equipados com armaduras para os bra\u00e7os e o tronco, feitas de metal e como armas eles usavam espadas, lan\u00e7as, arcos e outros implementos de apunhalamento. N\u00f3s tamb\u00e9m encontrar\u00edamos armas de cerco como catapultas e toscas armas incendi\u00e1rias.<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif\">N\u00f3s ter\u00edamos um total de cerca de 2.000 membros, do qual metade participaria de opera\u00e7\u00f5es de ataque terrestre. N\u00f3s poder\u00edamos usar nossos ve\u00edculos mecanizados (60 <i>Humvees<\/i>, 16 ve\u00edculos blindados, etc), mas n\u00e3o poder\u00edamos usar nosso refor\u00e7o a\u00e9reo. Aeronaves seriam apenas para transporte.<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif\">N\u00f3s ter\u00edamos m\u00e9dicos conosco, al\u00e9m de moderno equipamento m\u00e9dico e drogas, mas n\u00e3o ter\u00edamos mais uma linha de suprimento m\u00e1gica atrav\u00e9s do tempo (n\u00f3s t\u00ednhamos, mas os <i>timelords <\/i>desprezaram-nas, infelizmente!) que nos alimentaria com toda a muni\u00e7\u00e3o, equipamento e sustento que precisar\u00edamos para sobreviver. N\u00f3s ter\u00edamos que prosseguir com as coisas que trouxemos conosco.<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif\">Assim, ser\u00edamos n\u00f3s vitoriosos?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\">A pergunta, obviamente, causou um <i>frenesi <\/i>de discuss\u00f5es e argumenta\u00e7\u00f5es. Outro usu\u00e1rio, James Erwin escreveu um conto, <i><span><\/span>Rome Sweet Rome<span><\/span><\/i>, imaginando como as batalhas se desenrolariam sob tais condi\u00e7\u00f5es. &nbsp;N\u00e3o demorou muito para se formar uma <a href=\"http:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/RomeSweetRome\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">comunidade em torno do conto<\/a>,&nbsp;de onde surgiram <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/results?search_query=rome+sweet+rome&amp;oq=rome+sw&amp;aq=0L&amp;aqi=g-L7&amp;aql=&amp;gs_sm=c&amp;gs_upl=1890l6687l0l9336l9l9l1l0l0l0l624l2140l3-1.0.3l4l0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">diversos&nbsp;<i>traillers <\/i>no Youtube<\/a> baseados na hist\u00f3ria de James Erwin. A coisa foi t\u00e3o louca que a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.variety.com\/article\/VR1118044449\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Warner Bros. j\u00e1 comprou os direitos cinematogr\u00e1ficos<\/a> sobre o conto (Erwin deve desenvolver o conto em um livro, a ser publicado at\u00e9 o fim do ano que vem).&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\">Agora, por\u00e9m, s\u00e3o os historiadores profissionais que est\u00e3o se debru\u00e7ando sobre essa quest\u00e3o. <i>Expert <\/i>sobre o Ex\u00e9rcito Romano, o historiador Adrian Goldsworthy foi entrevistado pela <i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.variety.com\/article\/VR1118044449\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Popular Mechanics<\/a><\/i>. Eis o que ele pensa sobre esse cen\u00e1rio:<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif\">Obviamente, haveria uma diferen\u00e7a brutal de poder de fogo. A armadura romana seria n\u00e3o s\u00f3 in\u00fatil contra um rifle \u2014 muito menos contra um lan\u00e7a-granadas ou uma metralhadora .50 \u2014, ela provavelmente distorceria os proj\u00e9teis, tornando as feridas mais profundas.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\">Mas Mr. Goldsworthy lembra que h\u00e1 um por\u00e9m:<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span class=\"Apple-style-span\" style=\"font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', serif\">No curto prazo e em campo aberto, a infantaria moderna poderia massacrar qualquer soldado da antiguidade com um risco m\u00ednimo &nbsp;de baixas. Mas voc\u00ea n\u00e3o poderia sustentar essa infantaria moderna. Assim, com todas essas armas e ve\u00edculos voc\u00ea poderia fazer uma apari\u00e7\u00e3o breve, dram\u00e1tica e at\u00e9 mesmo devastadora, mas que rapidamente se tornaria in\u00fatil. Provavelmente em quest\u00e3o de dias&#8230; Os <i>marines <\/i>s\u00e3o os melhores guerreiros j\u00e1 treinados. Mas eles n\u00e3o podem lutar contra uma onda intermin\u00e1vel de soldados. Ningu\u00e9m pode.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify\">Essa limita\u00e7\u00e3o log\u00edstico-temporal acabaria com qualquer poder moderno. Os ve\u00edculos n\u00e3o tardariam a ficar sem combust\u00edveis (ainda mais sendo beberr\u00f5es como s\u00e3o os ve\u00edculos&nbsp;militares). As muni\u00e7\u00f5es tamb\u00e9m se esgotariam rapidamente. Por outro lado, nossos soldados do s\u00e9culo XXI certamente poderiam se virar em termos de alimenta\u00e7\u00e3o. S\u00f3 que, sem qualquer poder de fogo, nossos dois mil homens seriam in\u00fateis contra as 30 legi\u00f5es de Augusto, ainda que conseguissem destruir algumas delas enquanto tivessem poder de fogo. No entanto, todas essa legi\u00f5es n\u00e3o estariam reunidas na It\u00e1lia \u2014 ou, provavelmente, n\u00e3o deveriam estar \u2014, o que obrigaria a uma ca\u00e7ada atrav\u00e9s de toda a Europa e Oriente M\u00e9dio para aniquil\u00e1-las.<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&gt; Essa boa pergunta come\u00e7ou como uma experi\u00eancia de pensamento no Reddit.com quando um usu\u00e1rio chamado The_Quiet_Earth postou a seguinte quest\u00e3o: \u201cEu poderia destruir o Imp\u00e9rio Romano inteiro durante o reinado de Augusto [circa 23 A.E.C.] se eu viajasse no tempo com um moderno batalh\u00e3o de infantaria da Marinha dos Estados Unidos ou uma MEU?\u201d [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":486,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_eb_attr":"","_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"material-hide-sections":[],"pgc_sgb_lightbox_settings":"","_vp_format_video_url":"","_vp_image_focal_point":[],"footnotes":""},"categories":[126,156,160,161,168,218,323,332],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1095","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-ficcao-cientifica","category-guerra","category-historia","category-historia-alternativa","category-hype","category-militarismo","category-viagem-no-tempo","category-youtube"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.6 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>&gt;Os EUA derrotariam Roma? 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